Topical Conversations

Topical Conversations

Tune in to hear insights and updates on some of the hot topics in dermatology. In this series, we showcase expert updates on featured conditions, KOL discussions, and much more!

Coordinating Care in the Transition to Mohs Surgery: Real-World Considerations for Dermatologists
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Apr 6, 2026Skin Cancer

Coordinating Care in the Transition to Mohs Surgery: Real-World Considerations for Dermatologists

This video is sponsored by Sun Pharma. Its content is editorially independent of the sponsor. In this episode of Topical Conversations, Aaron Farberg, MD, joins George Monks, MD, to examine the clinical and logistical realities of transitioning patients from general dermatology to Mohs surgery. Their discussion highlights how evolving treatment options, referral timing, and multidisciplinary coordination influence decision-making, particularly when patients present with complex disease or are already receiving systemic therapy. The patient journey: from suspicion to surgical planningThe conversation begins with a practical overview of the typical pathway to Mohs surgery. After identifying a suspicious lesion, dermatologists confirm the diagnosis via biopsy and then guide patients through treatment options, including Mohs when appropriate.A central theme is expectation setting. Patients diagnosed with skin cancer often anticipate rapid surgical intervention; however, real-world scheduling constraints mean wait times of several weeks are common. In many cases of basal cell carcinoma (BCC), a delay of up to approximately 2 months may be clinically acceptable, while higher-risk tumors, such as certain squamous cell carcinomas or melanomas, require more urgent prioritization.Patients are encouraged to remain engaged during this interval, reporting any changes such as growth, bleeding, or pain. This ongoing communication can help dermatologists reassess urgency and facilitate expedited care when needed. Managing complexity: when and how to engage Mohs surgeonsFor borderline or complex cases, early collaboration with Mohs surgeons is emphasized. Prereferral discussions, which can be supported by clinical images and patient history, can help ensure appropriate patient selection and avoid delays associated with suboptimal referrals.This bidirectional communication is increasingly important as treatment decisions become more nuanced. In some cases, Mohs surgeons may refer patients back to dermatologists for consideration of systemic therapy prior to surgery, reinforcing the importance of shared decision-making across specialties. Expanding the toolbox: the role of systemic therapiesThe growing availability of systemic therapies, including immunotherapies and targeted agents, has broadened management strategies for advanced or high-risk skin cancers.Hedgehog inhibitors (HHIs), for example, have become an important option for advanced BCCs that may not be ideal candidates for immediate surgery or radiation. In select cases, systemic therapy may be used in a neoadjuvant approach to reduce tumor burden and improve surgical feasibility.This approach can also help address practical challenges such as surgical wait times. Initiating systemic therapy during this interval may allow for disease control while optimizing the timing and extent of surgery. However, these decisions require careful coordination and individualized assessment.Importantly, clinicians note that response to HHIs is often evident within the first 1 to 2 months, which can help guide ongoing management. In patients who respond well, continued therapy may be appropriate, while nonresponders may be redirected toward surgical management. Addressing clinical uncertainty: skip lesions and treatment timingThe discussion also addresses concerns around “skip lesions,” particularly in the context of preoperative systemic therapy. While discontinuous tumor spread is a theoretical consideration, both clinicians note that it is not commonly observed in their practices and is not a primary deterrent to systemic use.Greater concern is placed on delays in definitive treatment, which may increase the risk of tumor progression or spread. This reinforces the importance of timely referral and meticulous surgical technique, particularly in cases where tumor margins may be less predictable.Careful clinical assessment, including thorough inspection and adjunctive tools when appropriate, remains essential in these scenarios. Looking ahead: integrating new tools with established standardsWhile Mohs surgery remains a cornerstone of cutaneous oncology, the integration of systemic therapies is reshaping how dermatologists approach complex cases. This discussion highlights the importance of flexibility in treatment planning, balanced with a continued emphasis on evidence-based care and procedural precision.Above all, consistent and proactive communication remains central to optimizing patient outcomes in this evolving landscape. Key takeawaysMohs surgery pathways often involve wait times of several weeks; proactive expectation setting is essential for patient management Ongoing communication during the referral interval allows for reassessment of urgency and potential prioritization Early collaboration with Mohs surgeons can improve patient selection and streamline care in complex or borderline cases Systemic therapies, including HHIs and immunotherapies, are expanding options for advanced disease and may be used in select neoadjuvant scenarios Concerns about skip lesions exist, but appear less clinically significant than ensuring timely and definitive treatment Clear, direct communication among care team members remains a critical component of optimal patient outcomes

When cSCC Gets Complex: A Multidisciplinary Approach for Dermatologists
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Feb 6, 2026Skin Cancer

When cSCC Gets Complex: A Multidisciplinary Approach for Dermatologists

This video is sponsored by Sun Pharma. Its content is editorially independent of the sponsor. In this episode of Topical Conversations, Vishal Patel, MD, and David Miller, MD, PhD, examine how the management of cutaneous squamous cell carcinoma (cSCC) has shifted from a specialty-specific approach to a truly multidisciplinary model. Their discussion centers on how dermatologists partner with surgeons, radiation oncologists, and medical oncologists to manage increasing disease complexity, while remaining actively involved from diagnosis through long-term surveillance.cSCC as a team-based diseasecSCC is no longer solely a dermatologic or surgical problem. While many tumors remain straightforward to manage, more advanced cases increasingly require coordination across multiple specialties. Drs Patel and Miller emphasize that optimal outcomes, particularly in high-risk or advanced disease, depend on early collaboration and thoughtful sequencing of surgery, radiation, and systemic therapy.A wide and heterogeneous clinical spectrumThey reinforce the broad clinical range of cSCC, spanning low-risk tumors to locally advanced disease, perineural invasion, recurrent tumors, nodal involvement, and metastatic spread. Dermatologists are often the point of entry, responsible for diagnosis, initial risk stratification, and determining when escalation is needed. However, Dr Miller notes that no single specialty holds all the answers and that successful management hinges on assembling the right combination of modalities for each patient.Recognizing complexity and when to expand the teamA central challenge for dermatologists is identifying when a case is becoming more complex. Dr Patel outlines red flags that should prompt earlier multidisciplinary engagement, including rapid tumor growth, recurrence, deep invasion, perineural symptoms, and tumors in anatomically challenging locations. Dr Miller adds immunosuppression, multiple recurrences, and nodal disease as signals that early collaboration may meaningfully alter the treatment trajectory.Both stress the importance of not waiting until options are limited. Early input from surgery, radiation oncology, and medical oncology allows for better planning around margins, adjuvant therapy, and systemic treatment considerations.The dermatologist’s role beyond referralThe conversation challenges the notion that dermatologists step back once oncology becomes involved. Dr Patel highlights the dermatologist’s ongoing role in managing field cancerization, monitoring for secondary primaries, and providing long-term surveillance. Dr Miller adds that patients often place deep trust in their dermatologists, positioning them to reinforce education, address concerns, and help manage skin-related adverse events even when another specialist is leading systemic therapy.Multidisciplinary decision-making in real-world practiceWhile formal tumor boards are ideal, Dr Patel acknowledges that they are not always feasible. Dr Miller describes practical alternatives, such as informal case discussions via email, phone calls, or brief in-person conversations to align on sequencing, goals of care, and follow-up responsibilities. Both note that time constraints and fragmented care can be mitigated by cultivating a reliable network of colleagues and maintaining proactive communication.Where systemic therapy fitsSystemic therapy has become an integral part of modern cSCC management rather than a last-line option. Dr Miller reiterates that timing and sequencing are critical, whether systemic therapy is used before surgery, after radiation, or as a standalone approach. Patel adds that even when dermatologists are not prescribing these agents, understanding when they are appropriate helps guide referrals and set realistic patient expectations.Cosibelimab in the multidisciplinary frameworkThe discussion turns to PD-1 inhibition, now well established in advanced cSCC. Dr Patel notes that response and tolerability vary, particularly in older patients with comorbidities. Dr Miller points to emerging data suggesting cosibelimab, a PD-L1 inhibitor, may offer a favorable tolerability and safety profile, an important consideration in real-world populations.They emphasize that familiarity with where cosibelimab may fit, whether alongside surgery or radiation, or in unresectable or metastatic disease, allows dermatologists to better guide referrals, support shared decision-making, and manage skin-related adverse events. Even when medical oncologists lead systemic therapy, ongoing dermatologic involvement remains essential as the PD-1 and PD-L1 inhibitor landscapes continues to mature.Communication, coordination, and the patient experienceFrom the patient’s perspective, multidisciplinary care can feel either reassuring or overwhelming. Dr Miller stresses that clear handoffs, consistent messaging, and defined follow-up plans are critical to maintaining trust, particularly in advanced disease, where treatment plans may evolve over time.Common pitfalls and practice pearlsDr Patel cautions that dermatologists may underestimate how quickly cSCC can progress once advanced and how impactful early multidisciplinary input can be. Common pitfalls include delayed referrals, unclear ownership of follow-up, and assumptions that another provider is monitoring the patient.Both physicians highlight simple but effective strategies: clear documentation, direct communication with key colleagues, and staying engaged even after referral. These steps can significantly improve care coordination and outcomes.Key takeawayscSCC management has become increasingly multidisciplinary, particularly for high-risk and advanced diseaseDermatologists play a central role across the continuum, from diagnosis and risk stratification to surveillance and adverse event managementEarly recognition of complexity and timely multidisciplinary engagement can expand treatment options and improve outcomesSystemic therapy is now part of integrated cSCC care, with timing and sequencing determined collaborativelyFamiliarity with agents such as cosibelimab helps dermatologists guide referrals and support patient educationClear communication, defined follow-up responsibilities, and ongoing dermatologic involvement are critical to patient experience and care quality

High-Risk Cutaneous Squamous Cell Carcinoma: Refining Risk Stratification and Management
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Aug 8, 2025Skin Cancer

High-Risk Cutaneous Squamous Cell Carcinoma: Refining Risk Stratification and Management

In this episode of Topical Conversations, Laura Ferris, MD, and Désirée Ratner, MD, discuss approaches to identifying and managing high-risk cutaneous squamous cell carcinoma (cSCC), with a focus on integrating traditional staging systems and molecular testing to guide treatment decisions.Defining high-risk cSCC Historically, high-risk cSCC was defined by a combination of clinical and histologic features, such as tumor location on the head or neck, ill-defined borders, aggressive growth patterns, immunosuppression, or perineural invasion. The NCCN has since formalized a list of high-risk features, and staging systems such as AJCC and BWH now provide structured frameworks for evaluation. While these systems differ (for example, BWH includes poor differentiation as a criterion while AJCC does not) both have improved risk prediction compared to earlier approaches. Molecular testing with the 40-GEP assay Molecular assays such as the 40-GEP test offer additional prognostic refinement by evaluating gene expression within an individual tumor. The test categorizes patients as Class 1 (low risk), Class 2A (intermediate but clinically comparable to high risk in AJCC/BWH), or Class 2B (very high risk). Both physicians note the value of this tool in identifying patients who may benefit from closer surveillance or more aggressive therapy, as well as in de-escalating treatment for patients with low-risk results. Implications for treatment decisions Data suggest that patients with Class 2B tumors have significantly lower metastasis-free survival compared with Class 1 tumors, particularly in high-risk NCCN groups. Retrospective evidence indicates that Class 2B patients may derive the greatest benefit from adjuvant radiation therapy. Conversely, a Class 1 result may support omitting radiation in favor of close monitoring. The test also informs decisions regarding alternative systemic treatments such as immunotherapy for patients who are not candidates for radiation. Multidisciplinary integration and clinical pearls Dr Ratner emphasizes the benefit of sharing 40-GEP results with multidisciplinary oncology teams to individualize treatment plans and emphasizes ensuring adequate tissue sampling to allow molecular testing. The clinicians emphasize that results can be unexpected, even for experienced clinicians; thus, incorporating both staging systems and molecular tools can help optimize outcomes through more precise risk stratification and tailored management strategies. Key takeaways High-risk cSCC classification is evolving, with AJCC and BWH staging systems providing structured frameworks for clinical and histologic risk assessment The 40-GEP molecular assay refines prognosis by evaluating gene expression, categorizing patients into low, intermediate, or very high-risk groups Class 2B tumors as defined by the 40-GEP test carry a significantly higher risk of recurrence and metastasis and may benefit most from adjuvant radiation Class 1 results can support de-escalation of therapy in patients who may otherwise be overtreated Molecular results can inform multidisciplinary discussions and guide individualized treatment strategies

Strategies to Address Disparities in Skin Cancer Outcomes
0:31
Aug 27, 2024Skin Cancer

Strategies to Address Disparities in Skin Cancer Outcomes

Disparities in skin cancer outcomes among different demographic groups remain a pressing issue in dermatology. These disparities are influenced by a variety of factors, including socioeconomic status, access to health care, and differences in the presentation of skin cancer across diverse skin tones. Dermatology professionals are tasked with addressing these inequities to ensure that every patient receives the highest quality care, regardless of their background. In this episode of Topical Conversations, Dr Aaron Farberg shares a quick-hitting tip that dermatologists can employ to combat these disparities. Treating every patient as a VIP Dr Farberg emphasizes a foundational principle that he learned during his residency: treating every patient as a VIP. This approach calls for a consistent standard of care that is applied to all patients, irrespective of their skin color, socioeconomic status, or other demographic factors. This mindset ensures that every patient receives the same level of attention, thoroughness, and care and helps to mitigate the unconscious biases that may influence how care is delivered, ensuring that all patients feel valued and respected. Strategies for dermatologists to address disparities Cultural competency and education: One of the most effective strategies for reducing disparities is improving cultural competency among dermatologists and health care providers. This involves understanding the unique challenges and concerns that patients from different demographic groups may face, particularly when it comes to skin cancer. For instance, skin cancer may present differently on darker skin, leading to potential delays in diagnosis. Continuous education on these differences and how to identify skin cancer across all skin types is crucial. Improving access to care: Disparities in outcomes are often exacerbated by limited access to dermatologic care, particularly in underserved communities. Dermatologists can work to improve access by participating in community outreach programs, offering teledermatology services, and advocating for policies that increase health care accessibility for all demographic groups. Patient education and empowerment: Educating patients about the importance of skin cancer screening and sun protection is vital, especially for those in demographic groups that may not be as aware of their risk. Dermatologists should take the time to educate their patients on self-examination techniques, the importance of regular dermatologic visits, and how to recognize early signs of skin cancer. Collaborative care models: Incorporating a collaborative care model that includes primary care providers, oncologists, and other specialists can help ensure that patients receive comprehensive care. By working together, health care professionals can address the multiple factors that contribute to disparities in skin cancer outcomes and create a more holistic approach to patient care. Reducing disparities in skin cancer outcomes is a multifaceted challenge that requires commitment from both individual dermatologists and the broader health care system. By treating every patient as a VIP and employing strategies to improve cultural competency, access to care, patient education, and collaboration, dermatologists can make significant strides toward equitable care.

Revisiting Superficial Radiation Therapy (SRT) as a Treatment Modality for Nonmelanoma Skin Cancer
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May 13, 2024Skin Cancer

Revisiting Superficial Radiation Therapy (SRT) as a Treatment Modality for Nonmelanoma Skin Cancer

Nonmelanoma skin cancer (NMSC) remains a significant health concern globally, with various treatment modalities available to address its diverse presentations. In this quick-hitting installment of Topical Conversations, Aaron Farberg, MD, discusses the role of superficial radiation therapy (SRT) for the treatment of NMSC. The NMSC treatment landscape The treatment landscape for NMSC encompasses an array of options, including surgery, cryotherapy, curettage and electrodessication, and radiation therapy (RT). RT includes several techniques such as SRT, photodynamic therapy, brachytherapy, and chemotherapeutic agents. Treatment decisions hinge on several factors, including tumor type, anatomical location, patient characteristics, and physician preference.1 Historical context and resurgence of SRT SRT, one of the oldest modalities for NMSC, witnessed widespread use in dermatology practice until the mid-20th century. However, its utilization dwindled with the emergence of surgical techniques and the unavailability of replacement SRT devices. Moreover, the lack of training opportunities in dermatology residency programs further contributed to its decline.1 However, SRT has begun to experience a renaissance as advocates strive to fill knowledge gaps regarding its use and demonstrate its efficacy with large studies. One study found that using SRT for basal cell carcinoma and squamous cell carcinoma in elderly patients resulted in a 97.4% cure rate.2 Another estimated that 98.8% of NMSCs will not recur after 85 months following SRT.3 Alternative to surgical modalities In instances where tissue-sparing must be considered, SRT may be a favorable alternative to surgery, mitigating undesirable cosmetic and functional consequences. Moreover, certain patient cohorts, particularly those unsuitable for surgery due to advanced age or medical comorbidities, may benefit from SRT's noninvasive approach.1 In conclusion, SRT has reemerged as a viable treatment modality for NMSC, offering comparable efficacy to surgical options with superior cosmesis in select cases. Its historical significance, coupled with recent advancements and favorable outcomes, underscores the need for dermatologists to reevaluate its role in contemporary practice. By leveraging SRT's benefits and tailoring treatment approaches to individual patient needs, dermatologists can optimize outcomes and enhance the quality of care for NMSC patients. References Nestor MS, Berman B, Goldberg D, et al. Consensus guidelines on the use of superficial radiation therapy for treating nonmelanoma skin cancers and keloids. J Clin Aesthet Dermatol. 2019;12(2):12-18. Roth WI, Shelling M, Fishman K. Superficial radiation therapy: a viable nonsurgical option for treating basal and squamous cell carcinoma of the lower extremities.. J Drugs Dermatol. 2019;18(2):130-134. Roth W, Beer RE, Iyengar V, Bender T, Raymond I. Long-term efficacy and safety of superficial radiation therapy in subjects with nonmelanoma skin cancer: a retrospective registry study. J Drugs Dermatol. 2020;19(2):163-168. doi:10.36849/JDD.2020.4647

PDT: A Noninvasive Approach to AK Management
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Feb 14, 2024Skin Cancer

PDT: A Noninvasive Approach to AK Management

In this episode of Topical Conversations, Gary Goldenberg, MD, discusses photodynamic therapy (PDT) as a valuable tool in managing actinic keratoses (AKs). Reassessing AK treatment strategies AKs pose a significant challenge in dermatologic practice due to their potential progression to keratinocyte carcinomas, such as squamous cell carcinomas. Dr Goldenberg likens the conventional approach of treating each individual AK to pulling weeds out of a garden one by one. This analogy underscores the limitation of solely targeting visible lesions while neglecting subclinical AKs that may be present. Numerous studies support the existence of subclinical AKs, emphasizing the need for a treatment modality that addresses both the visible and invisible manifestations of these precancerous growths. Integrating PDT into your practice PDT is a valuable option for managing both visible and invisible subclinical AKs and is an easy treatment to integrate into a practice. The procedure involves the application of a PDT agent, chosen based on the provider’s preference, followed by a 30 to 60-minute wait. Next, patients are exposed to blue or red light, or laser devices if preferred. A proactive strategy to prevent skin cancer Dr Goldenberg encourages patients with multiple AKs to undergo PDT 2 to 4 times per year and views this proactive, regular approach as an investment in patients’ future health. By consistently reducing the number of visible and subclinical AKs, dermatologists aim to theoretically decrease the likelihood of developing keratinocyte carcinomas, offering effective long-term benefits to patients.

Advancements in Skin Cancer Management: 2024 and Beyond
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Feb 2, 2024Skin Cancer

Advancements in Skin Cancer Management: 2024 and Beyond

In this episode of Topical Conversations, Todd Schlesinger, MD, FAAD, FASMS, looks ahead to provide an overview of the exciting developments in skin cancer management that are on the horizon. Immunotherapy revolutionizing advanced nonmelanoma skin cancer treatment Immunotherapy has emerged as a game-changer in the treatment of patients with advanced nonmelanoma skin cancer (NMSC). This therapeutic approach has marked a substantial boon for dermatologists, offering new hope for patients with the most advanced cases of NMSC. New noninvasive options for low-risk skin cancer For low-risk skin cancer, further developments in photodynamic therapy (PDT) are eagerly anticipated. This noninvasive approach shows particular promise for patients with basal cell carcinoma (BCC) and potentially squamous cell carcinoma (SCC). Additionally, recent research has been published on the noninvasive management of low-risk BCC and SCC and focused on sparing patients from undergoing multiple surgeries. This reflects a significant shift in the approach to treating skin cancer, with an emphasis on minimizing invasive procedures while ensuring effective management. Key points Immunotherapy is emerging as a transformative approach in advanced NMSC management Developments in PDT are at the forefront of noninvasive options for low-risk skin cancer Device- and energy-based treatments are anticipated as promising noninvasive options

Examining the Role of Optical Coherence Tomography in Diagnosing Recurrent Basal Cell Carcinoma
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Jan 11, 2024Skin Cancer

Examining the Role of Optical Coherence Tomography in Diagnosing Recurrent Basal Cell Carcinoma

In this installment of Topical Conversations, Todd Schlesinger, MD, discusses an article published in the Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology by Wolswijk et al, titled “Optical coherence tomography for diagnosing recurrent or residual basal cell carcinoma after topical treatment: A diagnostic cohort study.” This study evaluated the use of optical coherence tomography (OCT) to diagnose recurrent or residual basal cell carcinoma (BCC) after topical treatment. Study background The small diagnostic cohort study involved 100 patients and aimed to determine if OCT could improve the accuracy of detecting superficial recurrent BCC after treatment with topical therapy (specifically imiquimod, 5-fluorouracil, and photodynamic therapy) compared to clinical and dermoscopic evaluation. Study outcomes on sensitivity and specificity The results showed that OCT improved the sensitivity and specificity of diagnosing recurrent superficial basal cell carcinoma after topical treatment. Patients were evaluated on whether there was a low or high suspicion of recurrence; patients with a high suspicion of recurrence underwent a punch biopsy, while patients with a low suspicion of recurrence underwent a control biopsy. The sensitivity for detection of recurrent or residual BCC was 60% with clinical and dermoscopic evaluation compared to 100% with OCT, suggesting that combining dermoscopy and clinical exam with OCT may significantly improve sensitivity. The specificity was over 95% for both methods. Limitations to the use of OCT in BCC diagnosis Dr Schlesinger notes that there are some limitations to the use of OCT in detecting recurrent BCC. Since OCT has a steep learning curve, the experience of the person interpreting the OCT images is crucial. He also notes that access to OCT may be limited due to its cost. The prospective role of OCT in BCC care The study suggests that incorporating OCT into practice can enhance diagnostic accuracy and potentially reduce the need for biopsies in recurrent BCC after topical therapy. Overall, the article highlights the potential benefits of using OCT for follow-up and detecting recurrence in patients with basal cell carcinoma. Key points A diagnostic cohort study aimed to determine if OCT, in conjunction with clinical exam and dermoscopy, can improve detection of superficial recurrent BCC after topical therapy Use of OCT improved sensitivity and specificity of diagnosing recurrent superficial BCC Limitations include the experience level of the person interpreting the OCT images and cost-related access challenges Incorporating OCT into practice may enhance diagnostic accuracy and potentially reduce need for biopsies in recurrent OCT after topical therapy